Topic: Rework Atlantean Crystal Mine
GunChleoc Topic Opener |
Posted at: 2018-03-03, 10:29
No, it's not. Consider this a wishlist item Busy indexing nil values Top Quote |
teppo |
Posted at: 2018-03-03, 11:17
Anybody against doing just this? Top Quote |
WorldSavior |
Posted at: 2018-03-04, 18:13
Okay. I think the "normal_ai_limit" would help here, as it's not easy to create a simple rule for the AI which mines should be limited to 1.
I hope that no mine will be changed that much...
Okay...
Maybe the tool economies should be included in the basic economies... But as it contains mines, it could be difficult.
In that case, it's already too late. But then they could dismantle some mines.
If you think so....
Yes, I know, but then the crystal mine will execute program 2 and then program 3. As program 2 has the main output quartz, it should also have the main output quartz when the mine is depleted. As program 1 has the main output granite, it should have the main output granite in the depleted case, too.
Yes, then this program stops, but as I said, programs number 2 and 3 will be executed next.
Yes, so there will hopefully be a possibility to create quartz in the second program
Not really... In program 3, a diamond will be found first, so the problem isn't as huge as in the quartz case. But: If the mine is not depleted, the chance that program 3 will find one diamond is 200% (it finds two). If the mine is depleted, the chance is only 5%+0.05*5%=5.25%. So in fact the diamond program will work only at 5.25%/200%=2.5125% so basicly 2.5% effectiveness instead of 5%.
Yes, it's not that bad. As far as I know, there is a queue which will make it happen that the iron mine will be reached soon, it is not randomized...
Against doing what? As I said, the first program already contains a quartz. But this is one which is almost never reached. And why should the "5%" be in reality 2.5%, 1% or 2%, depending on the mine? Wanted to save the world, then I got widetracked Top Quote |
teppo |
Posted at: 2018-03-05, 19:26
Atlantean mines are powerful, until they deplete. It is possible to make maps where Atlanteans can mine large amounts of ore that is out of reach of others. Perfect balance is difficult as long as the tribes are different. Top Quote |
GunChleoc Topic Opener |
Posted at: 2018-03-07, 07:25
We now have a branch for testing - see the discussion in https://bugs.launchpad.net/widelands/+bug/1753248 Edited by kaputtnik: Show the images directly Edited: 2018-03-07, 08:25
Busy indexing nil values Top Quote |
teppo |
Posted at: 2018-03-07, 18:09
Atlantean player, with depleted crystal mines. Red line shows the amount of acquired granite, green line shows quartz. The setting is that player needs 10 granite and lots of quartz. Before and After refer to trunk and initial commit in associated branch. Top Quote |
WorldSavior |
Posted at: 2018-03-07, 18:37
That's rather something what I would say about barbarian surface mines. Atlantean mines are not that efficient, especially their goldmines, which are very bad. But other Atlantean mines are a good concurrence for deep and deeper mines...
Yes. But I've got the impression that noone does that. So it's not really relevant... Or is it?
Yes, I know. Even if one wants to balance them for autocrat only, and only for maps where every resource is well reachable... But for me it looks like empire and atlanteans have much worse depleted mines than barbarians... And the bug makes that worse. So: Fixing it would bring more balance. Wanted to save the world, then I got widetracked Top Quote |
teppo |
Posted at: 2018-03-07, 18:59
Very true, the Barbarian shallow mines are cheap to run. Top Quote |
teppo |
Posted at: 2018-03-19, 17:41
This part has now been fixed in trunk.
This is still true. Bug or feature? Top Quote |
WorldSavior |
Posted at: 2018-03-21, 21:21
Good, thanks
I think that it's a bug. Even without that bug, barbarian depleted mines would be much better than other depleted mines, and this bug makes it worse. So I don't think that it's a feature at the same time... Wanted to save the world, then I got widetracked Top Quote |