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Posted at: 2019-04-21, 15:36

Nordfriese wrote:

The ability to have an expedition ship sailing around already is like a scouting mode, I don´t see the need to have more. Having to build a port and set aside the wares for the expedition before being able to scout with the ship is not asking too much IMHO.

At the other hand it's not logical that you can command a ship only if it has gotten wares for a port inside. However, I don't bother that much, because there are other things with much higher priority for development.

+1 for a "scouting mode" button that toggles whether the ship stops at port spaces.

This mode would be good, too

In my opinion, it is pointless to consider implementation details for attack-by-sea from the point of view of how to use ships as scouts…

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Posted at: 2019-04-29, 07:00

We have ferries in the development. Should they be able to scout, too?

IMO, they would be too cheap and too powerful as scouts. If ships ever can do scouting, this question will arise (assuming that ferries are merged to trunk).


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Posted at: 2019-04-29, 08:48

The way that ferries are implemented now they are simple carriers.


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Posted at: 2019-04-29, 18:56

First of all, thank you everyone who has contributed to this amazing game. I have played it off and on since almost the beginning.

When ships were first introduced, I remember directing the ship by arrow keys. I don't know if there were ports. I enjoyed using it to scout the waterways. It would be great to be able to have a ship automatically scout for you.

1) Ships always have a range of travel. I believe the scout unit has a range which seems large but he always comes back for food. Ships could have a fisherman supply food but beer is more difficult.

2) Ships come in different sizes. I am guessing ferries would be built at the shipyard. You could have a large ship, a regular ship, and the ferry. I don't know how the game decides what to build when one building can produce multiple units.

3) If ships are going to be able to attack, will multiple ships attack like soldiers?

3) Ferries are a nice idea. They should have a range too. Is there a limit to the distance a carrier can go?

4) If we are getting into rivers, they usually have currents. Where I live, small vehicle ferries are secured by cables or they would be swept down river. Too much? Maybe.

5) Could a ship carry a scout and wait to pick him up?

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Posted at: 2019-04-29, 19:37

Hello Ennobler and welcome to the forum face-smile.png

1) Ships always have a range of travel. I believe the scout unit has a range which seems large but he always comes back for food. Ships could have a fisherman supply food but beer is more difficult.

In the current implementation, an expedition ship can sail unlimited distances without consuming any wares. Since it can also be used as a scout, there´s no point having a scouting mode with range limits or food consumption – it would not be used, players would use expeditions as scouts instead.

2) Ships come in different sizes. I am guessing ferries would be built at the shipyard. You could have a large ship, a regular ship, and the ferry. I don't know how the game decides what to build when one building can produce multiple units.

3) Ferries are a nice idea. They should have a range too. Is there a limit to the distance a carrier can go?

They are rather more than an idea already face-smile.png
Ferries are built at a ferry yard. They work completely different from ships: They serve one predefined path called a waterway, and can carry only wares (only 1 at a time). Ferries are a kind of carrier that moves on water.
See https://code.launchpad.net/~widelands-dev/widelands/ferry/+merge/351880 and the associated bug report

I don´t see the point of having several ship types…

3) If ships are going to be able to attack, will multiple ships attack like soldiers?

Sea attack is a feature that has been discussed many times and is wanted by pretty much everybody, but no definite concept has been decided on yet as far is I know…

4) If we are getting into rivers, they usually have currents. Where I live, small vehicle ferries are secured by cables or they would be swept down river. Too much? Maybe.

Ferry accidents were discussed and quickly rejected because it has too much undesirable randomness. Same for ships IMHO.

5) Could a ship carry a scout and wait to pick him up?

What for?


We have ferries in the development. Should they be able to scout, too?

IMO, they would be too cheap and too powerful as scouts. If ships ever can do scouting, this question will arise

-1, because ferries deliberately are less than just small ships face-wink.png

Edited: 2019-04-29, 19:39
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