Topic: Widelands tournament 2017: subscriptions started!

As I remember: Laza - Barbarians, Einstein - Empire :)

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well, worldsavior defeated me by making a (almost) fully promoted soldier in 35 minutes. 35 MINUTES!!!!

Back in the time when I first discovered this strategy, it took me 90 minutes to get one. with practice and refining I could shave the time to 75 minutes, then better. Today I knew I could get one in 60 minutes, and I was all "certainly he can't beat that. At least not by enough to take advantage of it".

Nope. 35 minutes. To do it that fast, he didn't even make a blackroot farm. one single well. One gold mine that could barely reach gold with the end of its radius. He mined exactly 2 gold, then he stopped it. He had exactly enough bread from the starting wares to make 4 soldiers with healt and evade and 1 with also attack. Atlantean shields are quite useless, so that's a fully trained soldier for every relevant purposes. with that soldier he killed enough of mine that I couldn't get back. If I let him advance he could kill my headquarter before I could get my soldier, and if I stopped him (which I did) I would lose all my soldiers. I kept playing mostly because I wanted to go down fighting. I defended very well, but he had too much advantage. I also made a few mistakes, but they wouldn't matter at that point.

I did a better job developing an economy, but by the time I started producing for good (60 minutes) I had already taken enough damage that it didn't matter anymore. On a bigger map I could have just retreated, but on a bigger map he'd certainly have done something else.

Well, congrats to worldsavior for winning. He keeps finding new ways to get the most out of the starting resources and just a bit more.

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We should make sure that other tribes can also use similar strategies, otherwise if atlanteans can make a fully promoted guy in 35 minutes and everyone else can't we have a balance problem. Also, maybe we should nerf a bit atlantean level 0 soldiers (they were made strong with the idea that atlanteans would have a slow start, but instead they can rush pretty well with labirynth) and buff proportionally the shield promotions, which are very useless at the moment, especially given how expensive they are.

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We were discussing this topic in https://wl.widelands.org/forum/topic/4155/ before we got sidetracked. Maybe we should use that thread for general early-game promotion balancing?

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animohim wrote:

Still no answer by LAZA :/. Think you have to forfait us.

king_of_nowhere wrote:

Now we need only wait the animohim-LAZA. are they going to play?

if LAZA does not answer and you can't play before next sunday, you are going to win by forfait.

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