Topic: bzr7402 bugs and thoughts

1) This is a regression that tibor fixed in his latest AI branch.

2) The barracks and sentry conquer radius have not changed since 2010 - I just checked the bzr blame output.

3) Not sure I understand this, but if you believe it is a bug, please report with a repro case.

4) This is ugly concept graphics I added into the game - it is ugly so that people will go ahead and fix it. next time i'll write "replace me" in the graphic, it has been reported at least 3 times as bug already :).

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5) Does this happen when loading or saving a map, or both?

Busy indexing nil values

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GunChleoc wrote:

5) Does this happen when loading or saving a map, or both?

Both (just tested).

SirVer wrote:

2) The barracks and sentry conquer radius have not changed since 2010 - I just checked the bzr blame output.

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The barracks should have radius = 5 units and the image of "dots" should be like outpust "dots": blue dots with red circles around. -> That was in build 18.

einstein13
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wl-zocker wrote:

2) Both the barracks and the sentry have always had a radius of 6 (I checked build 17 and build 18). You must misremember.

Ok, I'm very sorry! You're right. The correct radius is the same. I really don't know why I thought that there should be a smaller radius like with outpust -> barrier. Next time I will check everything one more time

3) I cannot reproduce.

I will try to catch the moment in screenshot. Give me some time

6) (soldiers, attack, defense):

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Here: Red attack green (and yes, it is after green attacked red with succes).

My teammate was attacked. First wave of soldiers almost killed his troops. Next wave of attack was going when all the soldiers were inside the fortress, but still some of enemy's soldiers knocking to the door When next wave came (the moment is on the screenshot), all the soldiers (except 1) went out from the fortress. Most of them were very damaged. Soldier with number 1 on the screenshot has ~1 HP and went out from the fortress to defend it. Second one (2) has ~3 HP and that is the beggining of the battle. My question is: what is the rule for going out/ staying inside the military building when defending? I could see that fully HP soldiers stayed inside the military building when enemy is attacking. In most of cases when the enemy is attacking by waves and there is already a battle on the front of the building, all the soldiers stay inside. Here is different behaviour.

EDIT: Ok, I've realized that the moment here (when soldiers are going out) can be connected to the attacking the enemy as a defense. I'm not sure now. But the question about what is the rule for going out/ staying inside while defending exists.

Posted at 2015-15-02 16:51 CET

6) a.

To "produce" the bug 6) a. I've watched the replay from my last tournament game. Now it is showed on the screenshot. Next soldier will go inside without any fight. Awful (there are some troops comming)

6) c.

The vision range is "green + yellow vision range" (team). This soldier is far away from that range. He is trying to kill blue one. This furious can kill him For me it is a bug, but it may be a feature

Posted at 2015-15-02 17:31 CET

Some other soldiers problems (let's say it is "6) d."):

Green soldiers are attacking blue. There is a queue to the barrier, but noone can go inside because of battle on the door (normal behaviour). Blue just came back from the attack, also some of them were fighting on the defense. But what is going on the queue?

1. Green soldier is attacking waiting blue one. Blue is not responding, also with his HP (he has a hit every time and he doesn't feel dizzy :P)
2. On that place there are two soldiers at once: one green and second blue. The blue one is invisible because of the same picture of green. Probably they are chatting or playing cards while waiting
3. Also sometimes (here there is NO such a case, but in earlier fights that exsited). Soldier who were on the queue already (because of lack of HP he wanted to find a medic in the fortress) was attacked by enemy (yellow were defending, red attacking - two cases at once). The attack was responded and got killed. Let say that I am the soldier, then after good defence I want to heal myself (I lost lots of power to kill the enemy). Then there was another part of the attack wave. I was staying in the queue to the fortress already, but somebody hit me from the back. I had to response Then he killed me on the queue to the fortress.

So my question is: what is the proper behaviour on the queue to the military building?

EDIT:

When the fight ended (from the screenshot), the green soldier magically dissapeared from spot number 1. The blue soldier was going inside the barrier (first soldier going inside from the queue). Then I realized that there is standing a soldier with the same stats as the dissapeared green soldier! So probably there was some kind of teleport.

EDIT 2:

All the fights are defensive. Yellow is defending with no attacking now (for sure). On the spot 1 there is yellow soldier waiting in the queue. The blue one came and now hi is attacking the yellow queued one. On the spot 2. there is a fight between blue and yellow. Next second yellow will win and will try to get medic. But the red one (from the left) will attack him with succes. Why?

EDIT 3:

To show the teleport stuff I even coloured stats of the soldier. Blue is still going (they started from the same place!)

Posted at 2015-15-02 17:48 CET

6) b.

Two green soldiers were going outside to fight against 2 blues. They had fight on the same spot!

Posted at 2015-15-02 18:04 CET

wl-zocker wrote:

3) I cannot reproduce.

sudden replay death

In the picture you can see the message of replay: "End of replay. The game is paused...". On the right side is what should be the end of replay: I lost one castle, cut all the trees and dismantle everyghing except sawmill.

Also there is another problem: calculating productivity. I have only one production building: sawmil, 100%. And the average productivity is 50% (on the top right: 67% * 3/4 = 50%). Why? I've calculated everyghing few times before: the productivity factor is calculated including military buildings where productivity equals 0%. So I have 2 buildings: sawmill 100%, fortress 0%. Average: 50%. For me this calculation is stupid (in Settlers II military buildings didn't count).

End addnotation:

I want to explain everything and show on screenshots. All of them were taken from 2nd part of Widelands Tournament game (Whynstein vs Tulips). You can watch it if you want

And very sorry for a huge post, but I had to

einstein13
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3) Can you provide the replay in question? (Or am I just overlooking it?)

The wrong productivity has been reported in bug 1422149.

"Only few people know how much one has to know in order to know how little one knows." - Werner Heisenberg

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