Topic: Weapon reuse?

I also do not like the idea of recycling weapon much. It will fundamentally change the balance of the 3 original tribes and it also a very unexpected behavior given the rest of Widelands economy. Following the recycling logic, why should a farm not output human edible and animal edible crop. Why would the pig farm not provide fertilizer? Why would the sawmill not supply the forester with wood pieces.

I think the frisians must be balanced against the three existing tribes, not the other way around.

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And anyway, the recycling center was also an idea for compensating the horrible mines of the frisians. I can see in the lua-files that Nordfriese or someone else improved the mines a lot

Yes, I did some major balancing tweaks to the frisians recently and improved the mines.

The recycling was originally intended to balance the bad mines, but I became aware of another great disadvantage: Other tribes can train soldiers with only food to level 2, and with no gold up to level ~7. Frisians don´t get any training without iron, and only to level 3 without gold. Now, the recycling balances this huge training disadvantage; inefficient mines mustn´t be another great difficulty. They are more efficient now (about as good as barbarian/empire shallow mine) – yet they are still more expensive to run, as rations can be produced with cheap fruit but this is penalized with +50% (time) if you can´t provide your taverns with expensive smoked fish/meat.

Therefore, I think the recycling centre doesn´t give the frisians a "real" (uncompensated) advantage over the other tribes. But it would give these a fairly great advantage over the frisians if they were able to recycle weapons as well. So I think recycling should be possible only for frisians.

I think the frisians must be balanced against the three existing tribes, not the other way around.

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Nordfriese wrote:

And anyway, the recycling center was also an idea for compensating the horrible mines of the frisians. I can see in the lua-files that Nordfriese or someone else improved the mines a lot

Yes, I did some major balancing tweaks to the frisians recently and improved the mines.

The recycling was originally intended to balance the bad mines, but I became aware of another great disadvantage: Other tribes can train soldiers with only food to level 2, and with no gold up to level ~7. Frisians don´t get any training without iron,

Even no fur training?

and only to level 3 without gold. Now, the recycling balances this huge training disadvantage; inefficient mines mustn´t be another great difficulty. They are more efficient now (about as good as barbarian/empire shallow mine) – yet they are still more expensive to run, as rations can be produced with cheap fruit but this is penalized with +50% (time) if you can´t provide your taverns with expensive smoked fish/meat.

But you can just build another tavern or enhance it

Therefore, I think the recycling centre doesn´t give the frisians a "real" (uncompensated) advantage over the other tribes.

Well, maybe I should test the frisians

Wanted to save the world, then I got widetracked

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Tinker wrote:

Currently AI seems to ignore the building which gives humans an advantage.

I looked at barbarians and recycling centre is considered a basic building, so should be automatically built as a part of basic economy. Or is it not?

UPDATE:

I see that only barbarians has the basic amount set..., maybe this should be separate category of buildings within AI...

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Thanks for the feedback.

I am a little unclear on how to define and set basic buildings, I would think recycling centres are not basic, they are only of use after training sites start working. Currently I am just using each tribes smelter with altered input/output queues.

I will look at the atlantians, it is working for me, but perhaps I have a local copy out of sync. I cannot test much as since my last update I get segmentation faults after 15 minutes with no clear idea on the cause.

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