Topic: running out of fish with atlantis
king_of_nowhere
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Joined: 2014-09-15, 17:35
Posts: 1668  One Elder of Players |
Posted at: 2014-10-15, 21:58
i often play with atlantis and i have a problem: my fishers run out of fish. of course i do build fish breeders. one for every fisher. then, seeing as they still run out of fish, i tried to make 3 fish breeder for every 2 fisher. still run out of fish. suspecting that it may have to do with range, and if a fisher depleted a small zone that set a chain of events that would stop fish breeders to work properly, i made sure to always make the fish breeders close to the sea than the fishers. i even ended up surrounding the fisheries with fish breeders. all to no avail. i get out of fish messages. i generally ignore the messages, because most of gthe times they are wrong. the fishery just keeps working. it's probably a bug/glitch. but sometimes, a fishery stops working and doesn't recover. even if it is surrounded by breeders, and the breeders were working just fine until a minute before. note that this doesn't always happen. sometimes i have an area with 5 breeders and 5 fishers in no particular order, and that one never run out of fish, while one with 2 fishers and 4 breeders get exhausted. it seems completely random. do anyone have any idea on why it is doing that? 
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tuggyne
Joined: 2011-07-21, 23:27
Posts: 42  Pry about Widelands Location: TN |
Posted at: 2014-10-15, 23:11
I don't know exactly what causes it, although I've heard it's a quirk of the way the fish resource is managed. Usually I manage it if it happens by stopping the fishers until the breeders have had a chance to get things back in line, but that doesn't always work well either.
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GunChleoc
Joined: 2013-10-07, 14:56
Posts: 3324 One Elder of Players Location: RenderedRect |
Posted at: 2014-10-16, 16:06
Might be related to this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/widelands/+bug/1350259 Busy indexing nil values
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Tibor
Joined: 2009-03-23, 22:24
Posts: 1377 One Elder of Players Location: Slovakia |
Posted at: 2014-10-16, 22:04
As I understand as it works - fishers picks a field and try to catch a fish there - if there is no fish, then you get "no resources". But next time it can pick a field with at least one fish and he is succesfull. Also I noted that 'fish' capacity of coast differs significantly. I tested on a map right now and found capacity (in DBG window) varying from x/2 to x/20. And this can make a difference. If I presume that fish breeder also picks a random field and tries to add a fish there, and a field can be full like 2/2 (and next one empty 0/2) - you understand the consequencies of too low fish capacity.... But my advice is - just ignore it - your approach is good, nothing more can be done here If I understand it properly, the fisher can catch fishes directly on coast and on next field.
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GunChleoc
Joined: 2013-10-07, 14:56
Posts: 3324 One Elder of Players Location: RenderedRect |
Posted at: 2014-10-17, 11:07
If this message comes too soon, we can set it up with a delay. e.g. the woodcutter only complains after 60 unsuccessful attempts to find a tree. This is set in the conf file with What do you guys think would be an appropriate value for the fisher's hut/house? ETA: If you wish to experiment with the settings, the conf files are in Edited: 2014-10-17, 14:28
Busy indexing nil values
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Tibor
Joined: 2009-03-23, 22:24
Posts: 1377 One Elder of Players Location: Slovakia |
Posted at: 2014-10-17, 20:33
No one of fishers huts has this setting. The counter resets with succesfull fishing? Values in other buildings are in range 10-60, so value 10 would do no harm, I think. ==EDIT== Also I wonder when is the fish capacity defined - in map (=in editor), or is calculated during game based on surrounding fields. Edited: 2014-10-17, 20:50
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GunChleoc
Joined: 2013-10-07, 14:56
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Posted at: 2014-10-17, 22:08
If this option isn't specified in the conf, it simply defaults to 0. Which means fishers complain after the first unsucessful attempt. As far as I remember, the counters don't reset. Implementation is in logic/productionsite.cc. I don't know how the capacity works. The notifications are hooked on the worker going out and finding no fish. However, if the fisher goes out unsuccessfully often enough, he will have a resource problem in any case, because if he fishes off too much, there will be nothing left for the fish breeders to regenerate. Busy indexing nil values
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Tibor
Joined: 2009-03-23, 22:24
Posts: 1377 One Elder of Players Location: Slovakia |
Posted at: 2014-10-17, 22:32
You mean that fish breeder needs to have a fish there to breed fish? If there is field with 0 fish, he will never be able to add a fish there?
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tuggyne
Joined: 2011-07-21, 23:27
Posts: 42 Pry about Widelands Location: TN |
Posted at: 2014-10-17, 22:56
To the best of my knowledge, this is in fact the case.
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Tibor
Joined: 2009-03-23, 22:24
Posts: 1377 One Elder of Players Location: Slovakia |
Posted at: 2014-10-17, 23:10
So once there is no fish in the water, no matter how many fish breeders are on the coast, fish will never be recovered? That is really bad.
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