Topic: Remove goods before upgrade (Building)

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corsch Topic Opener Joined: 2017-05-29, 20:54 Posts: 6 Pry about Widelands	Posted at: 2017-05-29, 21:31 I think it would be nice if a building would first try to remove it's goods before upgrading to a new "level". At the moment you have to do it manually or the goods are lost. Top Quote

PkK Joined: 2012-01-06, 11:19 Posts: 236 Widelands-Forum-Junkie	Posted at: 2017-05-29, 21:43 This seems to be a common request that comes up once in a while. The current situation requires too much micromanagement, especially since it takes time to move the wares out. Similar for dismantling: When I get the notification that some mine resources are used up, I first have to make a lot of clicks to reduce the ware limits to make the workers move out the food and drink. Then I have to remember about the mine and come back to it a while later to order the dismantling. Philipp Top Quote

Tibor Joined: 2009-03-23, 22:24 Posts: 1377 One Elder of Players Location: Slovakia	Posted at: 2017-05-29, 21:48 Maybe some delayed dismantle would do the trick. You set the input queue limits to zero and choose upgrade in X seconds.... But the question is what is a part of gameplay and what should be done automagically... I am afraid that if we automate too much, it will become boring.... Top Quote

PkK Joined: 2012-01-06, 11:19 Posts: 236 Widelands-Forum-Junkie	Posted at: 2017-05-29, 21:53 Tibor wrote: Maybe some delayed dismantle would do the trick. You set the input queue limits to zero and choose upgrade in X seconds.... But the question is what is a part of gameplay and what should be done automagically... I am afraid that if we automate too much, it will become boring.... Clicking the ware limit buttons and waiting before dismantling seems like a rather boring task to me. I'd rather think about where to place buildings and about the economy and transport network than about clicking limit buttons before dismantling. If I choose dismantling over burning, I already prefer getting wares over speed. Either the workers of the building should move out wares before the construction worker gets called to dismantle. Or the construction worker coming to dismantle could move out all the wares before dismantling the building. Philipp Top Quote

kaputtnik Joined: 2013-02-18, 19:48 Posts: 2439 OS: Archlinux Version: current master One Elder of Players Location: Germany	Posted at: 2017-05-29, 21:56 Hi corsch, there is an open bugreport for this Fight simulator for Widelands: https://wide-fighter.netlify.app/ Top Quote

corsch Topic Opener Joined: 2017-05-29, 20:54 Posts: 6 Pry about Widelands	Posted at: 2017-05-29, 22:07 Hi kaputtnik, thank you for the information. Unfortunately I didn't look at the bug tracker. "Build 20-rc1" sounds great Best Regards, CorSch kaputtnik wrote: Hi corsch, there is an open bugreport for this Top Quote

WorldSavior Joined: 2016-10-15, 03:10 Posts: 2094 OS: Linux Version: Recent tournament version One Elder of Players Location: Germany	Posted at: 2017-05-30, 00:18 PkK wrote: Tibor wrote: Maybe some delayed dismantle would do the trick. You set the input queue limits to zero and choose upgrade in X seconds.... But the question is what is a part of gameplay and what should be done automagically... I am afraid that if we automate too much, it will become boring.... Clicking the ware limit buttons and waiting before dismantling seems like a rather boring task to me. I'd rather think about where to place buildings and about the economy and transport network than about clicking limit buttons before dismantling. If I choose dismantling over burning, I already prefer getting wares over speed. Either the workers of the building should move out wares before the construction worker gets called to dismantle. Or the construction worker coming to dismantle could move out all the wares before dismantling the building. Philipp I agree with you and corsch. And what about this: The workers of the building move the wares out, but at the same time the construction worker (carpenter) is called. In case he should wait a little bit before the building because not all wares are outside, he waits Or we combine both of your suggestions and both types of workers do what they can to put the wares outside as fast as possible. Probably the way that the wares are moved outside should be the default setting for dismantling/upgrading. And because we shouldn't "loose any speed", a possibility to dismantle/upgrade the buildings in the classical way (all wares destroied immediately), could be implemented as well Edited: 2017-05-30, 00:18 Wanted to save the world, then I got widetracked Top Quote

Tibor Joined: 2009-03-23, 22:24 Posts: 1377 One Elder of Players Location: Slovakia	Posted at: 2017-05-30, 07:03 PkK wrote: Tibor wrote: Maybe some delayed dismantle would do the trick. You set the input queue limits to zero and choose upgrade in X seconds.... But the question is what is a part of gameplay and what should be done automagically... I am afraid that if we automate too much, it will become boring.... Clicking the ware limit buttons and waiting before dismantling seems like a rather boring task to me. I'd rather think about where to place buildings and about the economy and transport network than about clicking limit buttons before dismantling. If I choose dismantling over burning, I already prefer getting wares over speed. Either the workers of the building should move out wares before the construction worker gets called to dismantle. Or the construction worker coming to dismantle could move out all the wares before dismantling the building. Philipp For me it is just part of gameplay - would you sacrifice some wares and save your time, or other way round? Top Quote

GunChleoc Joined: 2013-10-07, 14:56 Posts: 3324 One Elder of Players Location: RenderedRect	Posted at: 2017-05-30, 08:11 I'd be delighted if somebody would take on the bug. The milestone means that we want it for Build 20, it's not a guarantee that it will happen. I think we should keep it simple, with 2 options as we have now: Burn down: gone right away Dismantle: move the wares out, then dismantle. One complication with 2. is that if the building has no worker in it, there is nobody there to remove the wares. Maybe we can create an extra working position for a builder, who can then help with carrying out the wares before he goes on to dismantle the building? Busy indexing nil values Top Quote

Tibor Joined: 2009-03-23, 22:24 Posts: 1377 One Elder of Players Location: Slovakia	Posted at: 2017-05-30, 08:29 GunChleoc wrote: I'd be delighted if somebody would take on the bug. The milestone means that we want it for Build 20, it's not a guarantee that it will happen. I think we should keep it simple, with 2 options as we have now: Burn down: gone right away Dismantle: move the wares out, then dismantle. One complication with 2. is that if the building has no worker in it, there is nobody there to remove the wares. Maybe we can create an extra working position for a builder, who can then help with carrying out the wares before he goes on to dismantle the building? Another complication can be that flag belonging to the building is full of wares - there is some transportation issue Top Quote

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